Various New Scoots at Milan

[Bluebottle]

They still ignore scooters and PTWs that don't have engines


I don't if its of any interest but their information comes from the DVLA (if you have ever seen a V55/1, V55/3 or V55/5 form for registering a vehicle, the carbon copy back page was sent directly to them back in my day - it's all gone electro phonic since then with the AFRL system (I was on the working party for some development stages and the trials for that too).

The V55 had to specify a "body type" and I used to have to classify those. The crunch for a scooter body type was the absence of a direct structural member between the seat base and the headstock, yes or no.
Occasionally there was an oddball somebody had made in their back yard or an unusual layout on a manufacturers prototype but identifying a scooter as a scooter was never a problem.

[StephenC]

They still ignore scooters and PTWs that don't have engines

Good point. I've bought four of those myself brand new within the last year. Two of them have an interesting rear wheel layout with a y-frame, another is able to produce a deliberate & startling display of sparks when braking.

[Bluebottle]

I've added to my first post, boring unless you care about the inner workings of official vehicle classification

Mr C, I meant proper roadgoing PTWs without engines aren't recognised in their definition - yours sound a bit scary on the road

[StephenC]

Mr C, I meant proper roadgoing PTWs without engines aren't recognised in their definition - yours sound a bit scary on the road

I don't let my daughters (age 5 and 9) use their scooters on the road.

[MrGrumpy]

The MCIA provide an official UK definition with their monthly news sales bulletins:

Scooters
Have an engine, as an integral part of the rear suspension or the chassis is a step-through type, irrespective of cc or wheel size. Includes all types of
transmission.
http://www.mcia.co.uk/Uploads/Statistic ... 201310.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If the definition is adhered to rigidly, this could be why the stats for scooters (over 50cc) seems to be dropping - many of what we would think of as scooters, just aren't!

Well yes....it appears that many maxi-scoots aren't scooters at all! However, its notable that several MCIA members (well, I presume Honda, Suzuki & Yamaha are) clearly advertise the TMax, Silverwing, big Burgman as scooters! And the Integra not only has a rigidly mounted engine, but isn't a step through either!!!! (or so I'm told) - yet Honda advertise it as a scooter.

[Bluebottle]

I think you must be reading it wrong chaps.

Burgman, Tmax, Integra and Silverwing are all missing the the top frame member so they are scooters.
"Step through type" means the frame is of that type, whether you can step through it or not ie it hasn't got a cross bar like a traditional men's push bike.

It's an agreed definition with the authorities of most if not all countries, I can't remember coming across a country where this didn't apply. It isn't set by the MCIA, they just use what arrives from the DVLA, just like the SMMT does for production cars

[kayz1]

***Burgman, Tmax, Integra and Silverwing are all missing the the top frame member so they are scooters. ***

So if i use the above as THE standard Bluebottle Sir, then the NC 700X and S are scooters also as all three machines use the same frame.
Or so we have been informed by the media.
Lyn.

[MrGrumpy]

***Burgman, Tmax, Integra and Silverwing are all missing the the top frame member so they are scooters. ***

So if i use the above as THE standard Bluebottle Sir, then the NC 700X and S are scooters also as all three machines use the same frame.
Or so we have been informed by the media.
Lyn.

We could be discussing this for decades......how many pages can one thread have????

[Bluebottle]

Hi Lynn
From memory I think the frame goes to the bottom of the headstock with an extra price welds to make an upward curve to support the rest, so yes- because its indirect (if I'm remembering the construction right).

However, the frame is only just indirect, almost border-line.
Added to that the body types being used (scooter/motorcycle) are descriptive and not legislative ( they don't affect your licence/tax class/laden weight. That means that it is most useful in instant generalised identification (such as the police need to stop a white scooter, so they can ignore the white motorcycle, pantechnicon or artic)
So if the drawings landed on my desk when I was there I would have given it the benefit of doubt and if the builder/manufacturer/importer had a preference I would probably have allowed it.
If he/she wanted to be a gobshite....
The moral being, be nice to swivel swerveys and you are more likely to get what you want

Mr G
Seems straight forward to me, I can't see any argument against it

[StephenC]

Django colours - I take it back.

Just appeared on the Peugeot Uk site today. A good list of options.

Django - Heritage 125cc
125cc / 4-Stroke / Air Cooled
Black, White, Green, Blue

Django - Sport 125cc
125cc / 4-Stroke / Air Cooled
Silver, Blue

Django - Allure 125cc
125cc / 4-Stroke / Air Cooled
Silver, White, Brown, Purple

Django - Evasion 125cc
125cc / 4-Stroke / Air Cooled
Red, Green, Orange, Blue

http://www.peugeotscooters.co.uk/peugeo ... nge=Django" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;