Stop this

and try and be serious!!
gn2 wrote:Re my concept of ingrained brainwashing and tribes, see above post for evidence...

i don't understand your concept of brainwashing. Who by?
In my youth, I hardly ever saw a scooter in my area, except in scrapyards. There must have been some about but I only used my Lambretta for going to school and the odd local trip.
i did see plenty of motorbikes and I read motorcycle news, motor cycle mechanics and the rest.
The only people who tried to brainwash me were the motorcycle press, who reported on how great the FS1E, RD350 etc were to ride.
i ignored them , continued to buy and run cheap Lambrettas and then bought my first Vespa in the mid 70's.
I will admit that I have been influenced by the anti scooter feelings I have met. Both in the press and on the road. But I feel it's more me being reactionary and defensive against 'brainwashing'
I do see your point about tribes. But the world has always been tribalist. In times of war,, or donning your club colours at football,, and when I started doing scooter rallies from about 1976, wearing a parka.
Even your country men gn2!
The Scots (also the Irish) have been the biggest exponents of tribalism.
But I wouldn't go as far as wearing a skirt to show my loyalty
