I test rode one. It's great other than the gear change is very clunky and gets it wrong. Plus no accessories at all for it like rear rack and screens. Goes well though and electric only mode is good for town.

The hybrid gives extra power when u need it.

The idea is too give you a big torque and hp boost.

mottza wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 8:49 pm It's lighter than the NC750 for sure. 74hp on tap.

Chris
Hope al goes well or you motorcycle changeover Saturday

Regards

Steve

Thanks all. Just annoyed it'll rain tomorrow.

I can't be the only one that thinks automatic bikes are the work of the Devil, can I?

I have absolutely hated every auto bike I have ridden (takes the fun out of riding a bike for me), EXCEPT the CBR650R with the e-clutch.

Personally I couldn't care less about such mechanical minutiae. If they make you switch gears, or pull a lever because it's cold, or adjust the timing on the fly, it's a bit backwards but just what you need to do for that particular machine.

I'd hate to fall into a loop where I couldn't just ride what was put in front of me and needed to repeat what I had before, I mean, you'd end up owning a Harley

My ideal would be to remove all such distractions. Give me a throttle control and a brake and let the machinery do the rest. They'd need to combine that with a low weight, decent amount of power and matching aerodynamics though. That's where it falls down because the mechanisms weigh something. Throw in cheapness like open chains and commercial stuff like poor parts supply and you have a complicated decision. If they tick every box except they've used some nasty manual gearbox with a rev cutting botch to bypass the Victorian clutch mechanism I might still buy it.

Andy

Andym wrote: Thu May 14, 2026 8:35 am Personally I couldn't care less about such mechanical minutiae.

I'm inclined to agree.
Getting on to either of my scooters, Forza and Vision, twisting the throttle and going is freedom!
My great pal had a BMW R1150RT, a beautiful bike exceptfpr the fact that I, riding pillion, was rocked backwards and forwards at every gear change; it had such a clunky gearbox.
He's seen the light and bought a Forza 350, identical to mine except for the colour.
He loves it; he's owned motorbikes for as long as one is allowed to.

There are only a couple of downsides I can think of to the mechanical CVT. First is the lack of rider control over deceleration. There are circumstances where more or less engine braking can improve stability, for example a greasy downhill corner entry vs. a dry uphill corner entry.

Then there is the question of fuel economy. It can be argued that a skilled rider observing the road conditions well ahead might choose to make or delay a gear change accordingly.

Variable belt drive as found on the ADV is matched perfectly to the engines torque curve and provides better acceleration from rest than a fixed ratio low gear could. If there is any difficulty for me it is that using throttle finesse to achieve a gentle pull away is quite tricky in situation such as a tight U turn where it becomes necessary to balance brake against twist grip. Not ideal in my opinion.

The mechanical variator may have reached its development pinnacle, but in car world electronic CVTs offer a whole new level of control for the driver. That is unless final drive is provided through an electric motor needing only a single reduction gear (e.g. Nissan E-Power)!