If you like loads of space try out the Piaggio X10. Compared to the restrictions of others the knee, leg and storage space is a revelation.

As a bonus it comes with the unbeatable 350 engine and wet clutch combo. Checkout reviews in MCN, The Telegraph etc.

Try to look at one in Midnight Blue, IMO by far the best colour.

Globs - Hughie has already said he would never buy Italian again, so the X10 is out.

Stop being so racist Hughie. I've had loads of Piaggio scooters and never had any problems.

Globs wrote:If you like loads of space try out the Piaggio X10. Compared to the restrictions of others the knee, leg and storage space is a revelation.

As a bonus it comes with the unbeatable 350 engine and wet clutch combo. Checkout reviews in MCN, The Telegraph etc.

Try to look at one in Midnight Blue, IMO by far the best colour.

if your doing motorway speeds for any amount of time the 330 engine in the x10 runs out of puff and is working very hard and if you are tall i found the screen to be useless and had to change it ..... that said round town its very smooth and very nippy and great on fuel and the build quality puts most jap stuff to shame

how about a 400 burger

bit lighter then the 650 and not as bulky

I had a 400 Andy and I did like it,apart from the clutch.

The trouble with me is I have had most big scoots,now I ride a 125.I'm up and down the scooter range like a whore's drawers!

I just sold my car as I hardly ever use it and the money is burning a hole in my pocket.I should buy a Yamaha,makes perfect sense for me working where I do but when you spend all day servicing/repairing the same stuff I don't want one.Hence the 3 Burgman's,2 Gilera's and various other non-franchise stuff.My boss hates me.

well i think my old sym gts300 is still at frasers in gloucester.£2700 an know they would take less for cash.it's had the belt an rollers done just before i sold it..that was fine . just the x10 is next step up...although would still like a 650 burger or an integra 700

jamie wrote:if your doing motorway speeds for any amount of time the 330 engine in the x10 runs out of puff and is working very hard and if you are tall i found the screen to be useless and had to change it ..... that said round town its very smooth and very nippy and great on fuel and the build quality puts most jap stuff to shame

I understand the issue completely because my 263cc SYM GTS300i evo had the very same issue when I bought it (new) - not much use at highway speeds and needing to rev it close to the redline.
What I did was change to taller gearing by installing 19g Dr Pulley sliders - which actually gave me more push off the line - but also meant that 125kmh is now revving around 7,000rpm - about midway between peak torque and peak power (24hp).
Now top speed at the rev limit is just over 140kmh and the cruise is more relaxed and economical.

So I understand that the X10 runs out of puff, but I'm not kidding myself that 33.3hp is less than 24hp either so I suspect a tweak to the gearing would cure that if required. The peak torque of the 350 (330!) is at 6250rpm but max power is at 8250rpm so I suspect it's just running away from torque and out of revs at the top speed.

Additionally I find that even with a fantastic Isotta screen and decent ear-plugs it's still more economical and relaxing to cruise at around 110-115kmh, I've done the crouch-down-and-be-a-missile stuff on my old CBR600 so I'm not that fussed about absolute top speed TBH

phantom309 wrote:well i think my old sym gts300 is still at frasers in gloucester.£2700 an know they would take less for cash.it's had the belt an rollers done just before i sold it..that was fine . just the x10 is next step up...although would still like a 650 burger or an integra 700

Interesting gears on the 650, I should give one a test ride some day. Put off a bit by the big engine though: 269kg dry, or 2.76 bags of sand over the X10. As for the Integra, I really really really wanted to like that, but the looks, price, zero storage and chain put me off . Same story with the big BMW scooters, why on earth do they think I'm going to buy something big, heavy and expensive to run that looks like that?!

Basically I'm after a suitcase/armchair on wheels that sips fuel and is as light and cheap to run as possible. Surely most people are?

I'm not convinced the Japanese are investing in new design these days, even the Forza is an old design and all the Burgman's look the same to me. It's the Taiwanese, Italians and French that seem to be doing the interesting stuff these days for me.

Globs wrote:even the Forza is an old design

Not really.
Well not at all.
New frame, suspension, engine and bodywork.
There are styling similarities between the old and new, but good luck trying to interchange parts.