Smart Keys!

[knight2]

Having said all that I then spent the next half hour looking at T max's for sale

[MrGrumpy]

Having said all that I then spent the next half hour looking at T max's for sale

The chase is always more fun that the capture.....

[Andym]

Is all the modern tech worth it?.
I think I'll make my next bike a "Ural"

Can't get excited about it either way. It's never given me any hassle just a bit of behaviour you notice because it's new. You notice a flashing light, you wouldn't comment on needing to jiggle a metal key.

Put the key in your pocket when you get dressed and leave it there is sort of nice, you can't leave it in the ignition, but it's mostly a solution for a problem no one had.

The benefit is 99% for the vehicle builder, far easier to pair two blank remotes EOL than have two bits of shrapnel try and follow the lock they are coded to. If my bikes were a few quid cheaper or it let's Honda offer more models I'll take that.

I had a 2001 Ural. Biggest pile of excrement ever. They are now £25k! Given they are whittled by two blokes in a shed in Kazakhstan and their suppliers will laugh at the piddling numbers, I'd doubt their quality is that reliable. Think MotoGuzzi with added Vodka in the fettling shed.

Andy

[Andym]

On the Tmax, there is a smart key system warning light that flashes - it always flashes once when you switch the scoot on, but its been giving 20 flashes, which indicates various things such as a low key battery. I have the key on a lanyard round my neck, and I never had any problems with it being too far away before in 6 years. Its still giving issues. If I take the battery out and clean it and the contacts, then its entirely happy again - for a while. Then it says the battery is flat again. Of course since I now have no Yamaha dealer within 60 miles, taking it to one of them is difficult!

Strange.

Did you say the spare fob does the same?

Taking the battery out also performs a "Vauxhall reset" on the fob. I'm wondering if there is something going on where the fob and bike get out of sync* and starting again ends the confusion?

* They use the skipping code system invented by Hedy Lamarr. Each part sends a code then adds an internally generated number and replies with that. As both have the same codes they get the same answer to this addition. However, if a response is missed you get a reply to the question before. They should just pause when the count of wrong answers gets too high.

Andy

[MrGrumpy]

On the Tmax, there is a smart key system warning light that flashes - it always flashes once when you switch the scoot on, but its been giving 20 flashes, which indicates various things such as a low key battery. I have the key on a lanyard round my neck, and I never had any problems with it being too far away before in 6 years. Its still giving issues. If I take the battery out and clean it and the contacts, then its entirely happy again - for a while. Then it says the battery is flat again. Of course since I now have no Yamaha dealer within 60 miles, taking it to one of them is difficult!

Strange.

Did you say the spare fob does the same?

Yamaha don't supply a spare fob with the bike. A long while ago, I did ask about obtaining a spare, but whilst the cost of the actual fob was tolerable (by Yamaha standards), there was also a rather large charge for it to be programmed, so I didn't bother. I may have to investigate whether a new fob might be the answer, but it may depend on whether they can program the key remotely or whether they'd need to have the bike there at a Yamaha dealer to do it.

[knight2]

Andy said
"I had a 2001 Ural. Biggest pile of excrement ever. They are now £25k! Given they are whittled by two blokes in a shed in Kazakhstan and their suppliers will laugh at the piddling numbers, I'd doubt their quality is that reliable. Think MotoGuzzi with added Vodka in the fettling shed."
Given Ural's managements verbal opposition to the Ukraine war and the sanctions imposed on Russia a quick 400 mile trip down the road to Petropavi in Kazakhstan seems like a wise move. To be fair it is a very large shed and there are more than two working there now. Does that mean that quality has improved? from what I read not a lot and £25k is well out of my funds. I did consider an older one with a BMW engine but thatd as far as it got.

[Andym]

I did consider an older one with a BMW engine but thatd as far as it got.

When no one thought you could make anything worse than a Urinal 650 someone said hold my beer and put a BMW or VW engine in one. You are adding some interface made by a hobbyist to the vodka fueled shed whittling.

I've done the Elefant Rally in the company of such things. While it must be pleasing that having spent months in your shed playing on your milling machine the resulting horror makes it to Thurungia and back, it is an entirely different kettle of stinky pescia when you know the bloke who did it knew his way round a lathe but believed electric s were witchcraft.

Just get the BMW. There is nothing a Ural does that a well set up Airhead outfit won't.

Apologies for going off-topic.

Andy

[knight2]

apart from reverse, what you say is correct and why I haven't bought one , I also apologise for going of topic, but it is the nature of conversation

[Andym]

apart from reverse, what you say is correct and why I haven't bought one , I also apologise for going of topic, but it is the nature of conversation

I had three outfits after the Ural, all bigger and heavier. The reverse gear is a nice trick but you don't need it. If anyone does have mobility issues, fit a caravan mover.

Andy

[knight2]

Andy, I've started a thread in the Motorbike talk section as I would be interested to learn about what type of combos you had and the plusses and miinuses of them and what your ideal outfit would be. Rather than hiiacked this thred any more.