BMW 600 Sport Test Ride.

[NorfolkChris]

Am I the only one who thinks that £10K is too much for a scooter irrespective of who makes it or what size engine it has.

To be honest I also think it;s too much for a scooter. You can buy a car for that kind of money.

[Ferret]

I quite agree 10k is too much

[MrGrumpy]

Am I the only one who thinks that £10K is too much for a scooter irrespective of who makes it or what size engine it has.

Well, I considered buying a £10K scooter but didn't but only cos I didn't think it was any better than the Tmax....so obviously I didn't consider £10k too much (in principle). I guess its what price you put on enjoyment........

[Bluebottle]

It's a lot of money.

The fewer they expect to sell the more expensive it will be.
If it cost a million to develop and produce and you are going to sell 2 you need to charge 3/4 mil. each
If you sell a million you can do them at £1.50 each

If I'm not going to buy something I generally don't spend time worrying about how much it costs but its certainly an expensive beast.

[macamxthe1st]

Her's a twist, I recently discounted the 650 Burgman from my "Short List" one of the main reasons being the price even though I did rate it as a very fine machine indeed. However after trying the BMW I now see the Burgman as being a bit of a bargain. It's true then all things are "RELATIVE".

Geoff.

[DougL]

Certainly not one that when brand spanking new has porous crankcases, brake fluid reservoir caps that vibrate off, leaky forks, badly routed brake lines, fairing panels that blow off, racks that shear off and is prone to stalling.

Do you think that you could stop being a pompous know-it-all arse for about five seconds? Whatever you say, nothing fell off, broke, or leaked during 2000 miles in a week, ridden extremely hard at speeds up to an indicated 120 mph. Anyway, we are all enititled to our own opinions and it is certainly not in anyone's remit to preach about how I should spend my money. I'm not particularly well-off, but I chose to spend it that way. It is definitely as well built and equipped as a £10k motorbike, which it basically is, of course.

@Mr Grumpy. It is better than a TMAX in many ways, but worse in a few too. It handles better than the TMAX mk3 did, it is quicker and its main benefit is that it feels much better at high speed in side winds on the motorway (Calais E16). Of course the Mk 4 may have upped the game considerably.

[gn2]

Do you think that you could stop being a pompous know-it-all arse for about five seconds?

Just reporting the facts.
I think those facts are where your real problem lies, not me posting them.
Tis far easier to attack me than try to refute the facts.

Anyway, we are all enititled to our own opinions

Am I included in that?

and it is certainly not in anyone's remit to preach about how I should spend my money.

I simply don't care what you do with your money, if you are happy with your TGS then good luck to you.
I do care that BMW are passing off the TGS as premium product at over inflated prices, my concern is that in so doing they may drive up the price of other scooters.

I'm not particularly well-off, but I chose to spend it that way. It is definitely as well built and equipped as a £10k motorbike, which it basically is, of course.

Of course its a motorbike, all scooters are motorbikes.

[Liam]

Of course its a motorbike, all scooters are motorbikes.

No they aren't !

Anyway,, Everyone values things differently. No matter how much a motorbike would out perform, be better value and supposedly have more street cred than a scooter,, i would always have a scooter of some sort. Preferably a tmax or a c600.

I'm sure if we analysed peoples choice of car, the ones who've bought for example, a new Renault Megane or a Range Rover. They would be looked on as people with more money than sense, because of the depreciation and how rubbish the megane is. Allegedly!

And don't start me off on works of art by Tracey Emin ! (Although they may not depreciate that much)

But people like what they like. So let them spend it how they want.

[Bluebottle]

Was that 5 seconds?

I'll refute your facts for you GN2

Doug's rack won't sheer because:
A. The C600 never had that problem
B. They didn't sheer, the bolts came lose
C. Locking the threads solved it on the bike that did have issues

Panel problem was down to spring rating on a clip. Clip got changed - problem solved.

Pricing doesn't work that way, you can stop worrying about it.

You called the guy an idiot several times and claimed his bike has faults that it hasn't got - think his response was very measured all considered

[MrGrumpy]

@Mr Grumpy. It is better than a TMAX in many ways, but worse in a few too. It handles better than the TMAX mk3 did, it is quicker and its main benefit is that it feels much better at high speed in side winds on the motorway (Calais E16). Of course the Mk 4 may have upped the game considerably.

I never really tried out the handling on my test ride of the C600. In some ways the mk3 was slightly better than the mk4 handling wise. Since the mk4 is in many ways softer than the mk3, the feel from the handling has been very slightly sedated, though on the other hand its less sharp and more stable. One would hope the BMW is faster given that it has a lot more grunt! The mk4 is much better than the mk3 in mid range acceleration, but not at the top end. As for cross wind vulnerability, I don't know what Yamaha did to the Tmax between the mk1/2 and mk3/4 versions. The early ones were pretty good in crosswinds - the later ones aren't good at all! Impressive mpg figures from the BMW though. The Tmax drinks like a fish at high speeds. Mk4 may be slightly better than mk3 economy wise, but there's very little in it.