I'll be sticking with the 350 for at least another 12 months, so won't worry yet.

Try another dealer, they often lie, "not available" can mean "I've got one that's close enough that I want to dump on you". Usually just unpopular colours but they'll try it on. By favourite is the Kawasaki centre. Obvious substitute for a W800? ZZR1100 .

No one knows what they will be buying in 2030, (unless you include government ministers and industrial level reputation recovery PR). If it was gone for 5 years they'd remove it from the website. It's possible Honda UK, sportsbike dinosaurs that they are might have done though.

The 750 ADV is so close price wise to the T-Max they'd probably lose my business.

Andy

Andym wrote: ↑Fri Jul 25, 2025 11:36 am
Try another dealer, they often lie, "not available" can mean "I've got one that's close enough that I want to dump on you". Usually just unpopular colours but they'll try it on. By favourite is the Kawasaki centre. Obvious substitute for a W800? ZZR1100 .

Nah, they don’t do that!

My personal experience is walking into Worthing’s main Yamaha dealer with cash to buy the TMax Black Max they had on the showroom floor.

They were like a dog with a bone trying to sell me one of the half a dozen pre registered Fazer 600s they had.

Hence I found myself at the Piaggio main dealership in Brighton instead buying a Gilera Nexus 500.

bugsy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 25, 2025 10:19 am Just to throw a spanner in the works I have enquired twice in the past two weeks with a dealer about the availability of the new Forza 750 and have been told a 2030 delivery date......there is a hold on them at the moment for an unknown reason. The XADV is currently available.

Bugsy

2030???? Seriously? If it was Yamaha, you'd expect 2 further versions before then! I just find that bizarre.

They mean 2030 as in coming up on 9pm. They'll be out for a pint at the month end, then the sales manager has to tot up the figures and have his tea before the pay slips go out

Honestly, if you are going to "cow poo" the punters it has to be believable. I'd have been undecided between walking and playing with the clown who came up with 2030. He could start by taking a deposit on one, giving me a delivery date (remember the old East German joke* ) and telling me what colour it will be.

It's believable that sales team have a bet running that anyone who sells the pink Harley they took in part-ex 18 months ago gets a bottle of whisky.
It's believable that Honda UK has ordered a glut of Fireblades because they think it's 1998 and hasn't got the cash to get in Forza's.
It's possible Honda does have a production or type approval issue and just doesn't know a date (see Citroen airbag debacle).

* Helmut walks into the beer keller smiling ear to ear. The bar man asks why. He says he's getting his new Trabant on August 3rd 1994. The bar man points out that's 11 years away, hardly something to be happy about. Helmut says they wanted it to be on August 28th but they brought it forward when he said he couldn't make it, he's got a dentist's appointment that day.

Andy

MrGrumpy - Sym's dealer network and support may not be as good as Yamaha's? How about few dealers and zero support? If my previous experience with a Sym is anything to go by (Parts? Hahaha! No chance) this would be more accurate.

Ministerofsillywalks wrote: ↑Sat Jul 26, 2025 2:35 pm MrGrumpy - Sym's dealer network and support may not be as good as Yamaha's? How about few dealers and zero support? If my previous experience with a Sym is anything to go by (Parts? Hahaha! No chance) this would be more accurate.

Well....I would have said that, but I didn't want to be too damning as I don't have any direct personal experience of Sym and their dealers!

mottza wrote: ↑Mon Jul 21, 2025 5:17 pm Forza is more aerodynamic. No different gearing.

Maybe adv riders ride harder...

Regarding why the ADV is less economical than the Forza, I've just read someone on a Facebook forum who said that he swapped the Semi-knobbly Metzeler Karoo tyres for Michelin CityGrips, and immediately got 6 more mpg! Seems interesting and I don't need knobbly tyres, but I can't abide CityGrips! There may be other options of course.

MrGrumpy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 26, 2025 3:29 pm

Ministerofsillywalks wrote: ↑Sat Jul 26, 2025 2:35 pm MrGrumpy - Sym's dealer network and support may not be as good as Yamaha's? How about few dealers and zero support? If my previous experience with a Sym is anything to go by (Parts? Hahaha! No chance) this would be more accurate.

Well....I would have said that, but I didn't want to be too damning as I don't have any direct personal experience of Sym and their dealers!

And it's not only me. Another Sym owner needed new body panels after a spill on ice. Three months later he was still waiting...

Oh yes, and my local dealer had to resort to ordering new ones from the importer, removing the needed part then telling them to collect the rest. They moaned about it but the dealer retorted with 'My contract is with the customer not the importer.' He also sold LMLs (same importer) and had the same trouble with those. So it wasn't just Sym.

This is what worries me. I've had Moto Guzzi's and Piaggio always seem more incompetent than deliberately bad, but they just don't seem to do as well as Honda.

Andy