Your points make sense but my opinion remains unchanged.

Situation = normal

The reason it remains unchanged is that there's more to a scooter than seating position and wheelbase.

Both Honda and Piaggio quote these as Urban Scooters - Forza & Beverly.

The comparable Tourer models are clearly the SW-T400 & X10 350, just a shame the SW-T isn't available in the UK.

gn2 wrote:The reason it remains unchanged is that there's more to a scooter than seating position and wheelbase.

And dont forget service intervals

I agree its a real shame we don't get the SW-T here and would suggest that the comparable scooters to the Forza are the Kawasaki J300 and the Sym Joymax 300.

horobags wrote:

gn2 wrote:The reason it remains unchanged is that there's more to a scooter than seating position and wheelbase.

And dont forget service intervals

Might be boring to you, but some people actually keep their machines long enough to need a service.

So I understand from Jamie that the pumps do have to be changed I also dont understand why for the first 1000k service (basically an oil change) Piaggio are quoting 70 minutes labour. The X10 may have longer service intervals but this is a little concerning

Common misconception that a first service is just an oil change.
There's a whole heap of stuff to be checked and if done properly takes a while.

gn2 wrote:Common misconception that a first service is just an oil change.
There's a whole heap of stuff to be checked and if done properly takes a while.

Come on mate, they change the oil, and check that nuts etc are all tight, no leaks etc. 70 minutes labour, do you really think so, nice little earner me thinks. I have copied the service schedule.
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