macp wrote:I have noticed since moving from motorcycles to scooters that I have gotten into the habit in the dry and where needed applying just the back brake to steady myself into a bend rather than the front as I would have done on my motorcycle. Perhaps its because the throttle controls the machine to a greater degree than on a manual bike and I am on the throttle more due to the lower power ? I use both back & front when slowing from high speed and also in the wet.I also drag the back brake with a little throttle when I am conducting a slow maneuvre into a parking bay etc.

I need to get out of the habit re the back brake but interested in other rider's thoughts on how you brake both from newbies like me or the experienced guys.

Don't see what your problem is you. I'm with you I do most of the things you do why because it suit's me and it feel's right.
Don't get too hung up on what you think you should be doing just do what feels natural to you.Yes listen to other people's opinions
but remember what's right for one rider doesn't mean it's right for another rider.

MrGrumpy wrote:Veering off at a tangent....linked brakes. I never see the point as I use both levers together anyway! Does anyone else actually find them useful, or even notice the difference???

Well so far i've owned several 'normal bodied' and two Maxi scooters. Only my GTS has linked brakes. I find that it helps prevent the bike from sliding if you pull one lever a little harder than the other. But then it means you can't just operate the rear brake, which is annoying when doing U/tight turns, especially when the GTS has a much larger wheelbase. Also the linked brakes only use part of the front brake. You'll have to also pull the right lever to operate the front brake fully as well. I typically only use the linked brakes and will use the front brake fully/only when I need to slow quickly or when already going pretty slow. My front brake actually jammed because I hadn't been using the right lever!

On all my non linked 'normal' scooters I found the rear brakes ( all drums) to be far more effective than the front (all disks). I have accidently slid a few times when i've pulled the rear brake a little to hard but other than that I've had little issues.

Personally I wouldn't mind whether I had linked brakes or not.

chippie wrote:

macp wrote:I have noticed since moving from motorcycles to scooters that I have gotten into the habit in the dry and where needed applying just the back brake to steady myself into a bend rather than the front as I would have done on my motorcycle. Perhaps its because the throttle controls the machine to a greater degree than on a manual bike and I am on the throttle more due to the lower power ? I use both back & front when slowing from high speed and also in the wet.I also drag the back brake with a little throttle when I am conducting a slow maneuvre into a parking bay etc.

I need to get out of the habit re the back brake but interested in other rider's thoughts on how you brake both from newbies like me or the experienced guys.

Don't see what your problem is you. I'm with you I do most of the things you do why because it suit's me and it feel's right.
Don't get too hung up on what you think you should be doing just do what feels natural to you.Yes listen to other people's opinions
but remember what's right for one rider doesn't mean it's right for another rider.

Cheers buddy
Not really got a problem just noticed how I ride my scoot in comparison to riding a motorcycle and being a bit of a scooter newbie I was just interested in others thoughts.

With the Hexagon, as with most 2-strokes, there is very little engine braking effect on the over-run, and I do most of my braking with the front brake, just using the rear to keep things steady. I do find that trailing the rear brake while manoeuvreing at slow speed helps with control.

Hexatony 2 wrote:With the Hexagon, as with most 2-strokes, there is very little engine braking effect on the over-run, and I do most of my braking with the front brake, just using the rear to keep things steady. I do find that trailing the rear brake while manoeuvreing at slow speed helps with control.

You also need training, or inform your experiences and professional qualification or else your advice kills people.

Do you have professional indemnity insurance? There's a massive liability difference between having an opinion, and expressing it. I've history in courts to prove this.

Seriously, I recommend removing your posts on this issue. Unless you have liability insurance. This is the best advice you will ever receive from a forum.

I have Professional Indemnity cover...

irev wrote:You also need training, or inform your experiences and professional qualification or else your advice kills people.

Do you have professional indemnity insurance? There's a massive liability difference between having an opinion, and expressing it. I've history in courts to prove this.

Seriously, I recommend removing your posts on this issue. Unless you have liability insurance. This is the best advice you will ever receive from a forum.

I have Professional Indemnity cover...

Seriously??

I don't think the OP or anyone else here is going to take opinions expressed on an internet message board as any substitute for real training. People are just sharing there own personal ways and experiences on braking. Nobody is suggesting anyone else should take it as "advice". It's a perfectly valid topic for a discussion since it's something we all do every day and it's nonsense to suggest it should be restricted to those with professional qualifications or liability insurance FFS! To be honest any rider that takes something they've read on the internet out onto the road has nobody to blame but themselves for the consequences.

Also, do you have professional legal qualifications that enable you to give the above legal advice? I'm hoping not, because I enjoy irony.

irev wrote:...recommend removing your posts....This is the best advice you will ever receive from a forum.
I have Professional Indemnity cover...

Nah, your best advice was the completely wrong "trail riders should stand on the pegs to lower their centre of gravity" You might want to look at that one for the "not qualified -suggest its removed" list
Or maybe your one about you forcing a crash by not allowing impatient TVR drivers to pull back in?

Not a good idea to throw safety/knowledge stones around when you live in a glass house - much better to play nicely without sticking the boot in every 2 minutes

or remove your own dodgy posts first

irev wrote:

Hexatony 2 wrote:With the Hexagon, as with most 2-strokes, there is very little engine braking effect on the over-run, and I do most of my braking with the front brake, just using the rear to keep things steady. I do find that trailing the rear brake while manoeuvreing at slow speed helps with control.

You also need training, or inform your experiences and professional qualification or else your advice kills people.

Do you have professional indemnity insurance? There's a massive liability difference between having an opinion, and expressing it. I've history in courts to prove this.

Seriously, I recommend removing your posts on this issue. Unless you have liability insurance. This is the best advice you will ever receive from a forum.

I have Professional Indemnity cover...

oh dear! You're not serious are you? What someone says 'they do' and what someone says 'you should or must do' are totally different, I doubt very much some random bloke will get into trouble for saying what they do and someone copied them and fucked up. I also have proffesional indemnity insurance too.

Bluebottle wrote:

irev wrote:...recommend removing your posts....This is the best advice you will ever receive from a forum.
I have Professional Indemnity cover...

Nah, the best advice was the completely wrong "trail riders should stand on the pegs to lower their centre of gravity" You might want to look at that one for the "not qualified -suggest its removed" list
Or maybe the one about forcing a crash by not allowing impatient TVR drivers to pull back in?

Not a good idea to throw safety/knowledge stones around when you live in a glass house - much better if we all play nicely without sticking the boot in every 2 minutes

Wow!

While we're at it ,, please remove all the posts regarding fitness and nutrition advice.
Except for mine of course, as I know everything
I too am covered by professional indemnity insurance