****Meanwhile, there was nothing in the respective contracts that stopped the original Chinese firm from making scooters to the same/similar designs.***

That Sir does not seem to stop them from manufacturing anybody else's designs at all, you only have to look at some of the cars and trucks/vans engines, aircraft engines and parts, that they make. Electronics:::i will say nay more,.

Im really not put off by chinese bikes any more, yes some of the cheap ones need care , but they also make some good machines, the New BMW 400 scoot is made at the Loncin factory, I had a loncin 110, cost 800 quid new and I could not fault the build.

horobags wrote: Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:12 pm Im really not put off by chinese bikes any more
I had a loncin 110, cost 800 quid new and I could not fault the build.

Mark
you had, does the current owner, is it still going strong
Thst aside I've paid top money as have others for Harley and IMHO they are shite build quality

**** I had a loncin 110****

You beat me to it:::SpS== i was going to say::But for how long

I've owned sym before and had no issues what so ever....does anybody on here own a royal alloy

charles1976 wrote: Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:02 pm I've owned sym before and had no issues what so ever....does anybody on here own a royal alloy

Sym are Taiwanese. Different level of quality altogether.

AJS & Matchless were at Plumstead, London building real motorcycles until they shut down circa 1997 or thereabouts, where's the connection with Vespa's?

Jim

Scootypuff snr wrote: Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:11 pm

horobags wrote: Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:12 pm Im really not put off by chinese bikes any more
I had a loncin 110, cost 800 quid new and I could not fault the build.

Mark
you had, does the current owner, is it still going strong
Thst aside I've paid top money as have others for Harley and IMHO they are shite build quality

I had it for ages,, , sold it to a lad on the c-90 forum.

Seem to be getting quite popular...just considering one as a second bike

Jimo wrote: Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:31 pm AJS & Matchless were at Plumstead, London building real motorcycles until they shut down circa 1997 or thereabouts, where's the connection with Vespa's?

Jim

The connection, Jim, is with who owned the name and sold it.