greetings from some one who has been ridding now 40 years,started with 50cc,went up to 1200cc [fj1200] now been ridding scoots for 13 years,and that's been 125cc.

Steevw wrote: I hadn't really thought of the handling and the roadholding as separate entities until now.

Yeah, it's true not many do. I didn't 'till someone explained it to me
Best, although extreme, example is Moto GP champion Mark Marquez. His Honda had roadholding in buckets but the handling is a little suspect. Only his genius keeps it all together
Just compare him and Jorge Lorenzo in a race. JL's bike handles well and has the same "buckets" of roadholding.