Question for Silverwing/Givi AF214 owners

[MrGrumpy]

Do those laminar lip things work?

Can't comment specifically on the Lip for the Silverwing, but the Lip worked superbly on the Mk3 Tmax, so I'd be optimistic it'd be good on the 'wing. I had a bad experience with the Dual Lock sticky fixer things it came with though.

[Gerard C]

Meldrews reply says it all for me. There's no difference in cost in fitting a Scoot at production with a screen that actually works. What it does do is make happier customers, better reviews and everybody's happy - except Givi who must be thanking there lucky stars the manufacturers are so dumb as to create dissatisfaction immediately in their customer base.

We have a competitor who is so arrogant and up their own arse that it leaves a wide door open for us to take their market by simply doing the job right. Please let them stay doing the same thing until I retire anyway. This is what the Scoot manufacturers are doing for Givi.

Sylars bought a new Scoot from Honda, I've bought a new Scoot from Suzuki and we had to change the screen, there's lots of stories on here about people having to do the same thing. That cannot be right.

Note to Sym - get the screens right, (that's if it isn't already Spaceprobe), or maybe offer a choice of screen heights on purchase and I for one will be very impressed.

Just a thought - does anyone think that its the UK weather being that bit colder than most of Europe where Scoots are big sellers, that makes us more susceptible to drafts?

[Sylar]

That is one fab looking black Silverwing Mister Sylar!
Have you noticed any obvious differences between your new Silverwing and the Silverwing you traded in?

For the first 600mls i was running it in, so kept the revs and throttle opening down, cruising at my normal 50mph on the level, and steadily increasing the revs going up steep gradients.After changing the oil and filter,( by god the maufactures oil is thin,came out like a horse having a leak.) and putting in Semi -syn i noticed it was a lot smoother and felt happier. The suspension is still a bit stiff but time will loosen that up.I had already adjusted the idle speed and throttle opening to suit me. Iam happy with the bike but i knew what I was getting. Meldrew you Know full well it would be a Red Rose, not noticed the St Georges coss on the screen?

[Bluebottle]

There's no difference in cost in fitting a Scoot at production with a screen that actually works.

Works for who? The short skinny guy in the baking tropics ? or the tall fat guy in freezing British sleet? or...

The Givi doesn't work for everybody either. Wouldn't there be one or two complaints if half of customers had to take a saw to their brand new bike just to see over the screen?
Givi would just switch to producing smaller screens to fill the gap and carry in just as they were, making screens for people who don't like the original.

I don't understand how the extra development and materials can cost nothing.

[gn2]

Just a thought - does anyone think that its the UK weather being that bit colder than most of Europe where Scoots are big sellers, that makes us more susceptible to drafts?

Although there's a fair bit of comment on here about how poor oem screens are, if you look around you'll see that not everyone feels the need for aftermarket screens.
The screen on the Forza gets a lot of criticism but most Forzas I see on the road still have the original screen.
I've done over ten thousand miles on mine and have never once felt it needed a taller screen.
Same applies to the scooters I see parked where I work, as far as I can see they all still have the standard screens.
And its not exactly mediterranean up here weather wise.

[Waldorf]

My experience of both screens is that the standard one is adequate for suburban riding but is far less-effective than the Givi for Motorway cruising, partly because it's rather narrow.
I originally bought a Laminar Lip, having found it very good on the already very good X9 adjustable screen, but failed to buy the 'Ears' that go with the Lip, thus not getting the full effect of the set-up.

One of the great features of the standard X9 screen with the Laminar Lip attached was the way the air was channelled up over the rider's head, seeming to raise the height of the screen without actually doing so. Of course, that's what it's supposed to do!
The Givi does the same because there's a gap between the two parts. This means that one can look over the top of the screen but still be protected from having an 'in your face' blast of air, or water if it's raining.

[Gerard C]

Just me then Guys. Givi will be closing down there production of screens now they realise there's no demand.

Its obviously up to the individual but assuming that the purpose of the screen is to protect the rider from excessive blasting from the slip stream, I still say the designers could do with actually riding the machines.
just a point here regarding design. It takes an effort to design everything so why would it cost more to design something that works than something that doesn't. Whether anyone thinks one design is better than another is moot. Both cost money to design and put into production.

If the original screen works for you then the answer is don't buy an accessory screen. The original Burgman 650 screen does not work for me. I want the extra protection of the larger Givi screen when I ride in colder conditions. If it works for others then they should obviously be beaten within an inch of their lives until they agree with me.

Resistance is useless!!!!!

[Steve_D]

When I had my 650 Burgman I found the OE screen useless. Changed it for a Givi which was perfect...... Until I did a European trip in the heat. Too bloody good then - I kept swapping bikes with my short-arse tightwad mate who had bought a secondhand cut-down Givi off eBay for his 650. Lovely drop of breeze on me then. Definitely a case of what worked for me in the UK didn't work for me in hotter climes. Horses for courses and all that.

[Gerard C]

On my last Burgman I bought and fitted a used Givi from Jim B who had cut it down to suit him. Luckily for me it suited my height. I am not sure that I would want to be taking a saw to something that costs a significant amount of dosh. I'm a majestic 5' 11" so not really tall, just about average. It always seemed to me that, as Meldrew points out, anyone who could see over an uncut Givi was someone not to argue with.
The Givi I bought for the new model Burgman was thankfully not as tall and again is great for my height. No cutting required. With the screen set at its lowest I get to look over it and get the maximum hand protection. If conditions mean I need to raise it by pressing the gimmicky switch so conveniently located on the bars it rises silkily upwards to direct the deluge away from my visor. On the other hand my fingers get more draft. So I have to press the gimmicky button located on the bars to turn on the heated grips. You try telling these young riders about how tough life on two wheels was and they won't believe you, they don't know there born.

Don't answer this one as its rhetorical, but am I weird, I actually like the wind on my face on the scoot, (within limits), I feel more connected. With the visor down I feel isolated.