Forza 300 vs Burgman 200 Exec
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phantom309
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Re: Forza 300 vs Burgman 200 Exec
congrates on choosing your new scoot..always best to go with what suits you ...
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Fizzy Rascal
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Re: Forza 300 vs Burgman 200 Exec
Thank you.phantom309 wrote:congrates on choosing your new scoot..always best to go with what suits you ...
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kayz1
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Re: Forza 300 vs Burgman 200 Exec
I use firefox most of the time BUT, on this site i cannot use the PM system i have to go back to IE...
PS: weldone on the new bike, always best to go with what you feel is right and not the fastest///
Lyn.
PS: weldone on the new bike, always best to go with what you feel is right and not the fastest///
Lyn.
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Fizzy Rascal
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Re: Forza 300 vs Burgman 200 Exec
Ta!kayz1 wrote:I use firefox most of the time BUT, on this site i cannot use the PM system i have to go back to IE...
PS: weldone on the new bike, always best to go with what you feel is right and not the fastest///
Lyn.
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Fizzy Rascal
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Re: Forza 300 vs Burgman 200 Exec
As promised . . . UPDATE/FIRST IMPRESSIONS . . .
After my 30km ride home I have to say I'm VERY impressed. By the time the bike had reached operating temperature (5 mins) I was moving it around like a 125 - it really IS that manouvreable.
In fact, I'm so impressed at how well it took the twists and turns that my PCX (125) may get less use (although, I DO think the PCX is a gorgeous little scoot.)
The Burgman 200 fits me perfectly, but I can see 6 foot plus'ers feeling a bit cramped in the seat. My inside seam is only 29"/30" - I'm not a big bloke by any means - so you bigger guys will need to check this out for sure.
I can see it being a real hit with lady riders to be honest - no issues with getting my feet down at stops.
As to the ride - it picks up really nicely and pulls away from the lights or roundabouts really smoothly - the power just rolls in.
The deceleration/engine braking was different to what I expected as the scoot carried on happily rolling despite shutting the throttle off - not a problem, just something I had to adjust for - although I did have to squeeze the brakes the first couple of times. Once I'd figured it, it was fine. Both the PCX (and the Honda Forza I tested) start to slow (engine braking) as the throttle is rolled off - The Burger 200 less so. I also noticed I was taking the 'country lane' bends a bit quicker than on my PCX - which surprised me as I really thought the smaller bike would be quicker through the bends - the Burger 200 just feels more stable to me.
Talking of brakes - my bike is effectively a 2013 French model with 'combined' brakes - but not ABS. I pretty much only had to use the back brake and the bike pulled up nice and smoothly with no dramas - same with pulling both (testing a quick stop) - no drama.
Hills: I only weigh 12 stone (170lbs) - so it's difficult for me to 'guess' how it might behave with a big heavy fellah on it - but it just pulled me along/up with no real noticeable difference to the flat. I have to ride through the Monts D'Ambazac (Google them) to get back from the dealership and the road through is windy with some long hills - the bike behaved very well - no effort at all as far as I could discern. Obviously I had to give it more throttle than on the flat but it just kept pulling, no issues.
Top Speed: I found the flattest, straightest bit of road I could - and gave it full throttle - it made (indicated) 115km/h before I ran out of road - I'm guessing it will top out around 120km/h given enough road (like a motorway/freeway) - I'll get back to you on this when I get chance to test properly.
So, given that it was only 30km/20 miles (it really needs a longer run/test) I'm very pleased - it handles like a smaller scooter but feels more 'planted' than a 125 - pretty much exactly what I was after given my (lack of) size and the roads around where I live.
So far, so good.
Couple more pics . . .
Some big Burgers (a 400 and two 650s - all 'Executives') in the dealership and a matt black 125 Burger . . .
Apologies for the not very good (non-flash) 'phone pics.
PS: The screen was just nice (I'm short tho' remember.) Although it 'squeaks' going over bumps.
After my 30km ride home I have to say I'm VERY impressed. By the time the bike had reached operating temperature (5 mins) I was moving it around like a 125 - it really IS that manouvreable.
In fact, I'm so impressed at how well it took the twists and turns that my PCX (125) may get less use (although, I DO think the PCX is a gorgeous little scoot.)
The Burgman 200 fits me perfectly, but I can see 6 foot plus'ers feeling a bit cramped in the seat. My inside seam is only 29"/30" - I'm not a big bloke by any means - so you bigger guys will need to check this out for sure.
I can see it being a real hit with lady riders to be honest - no issues with getting my feet down at stops.
As to the ride - it picks up really nicely and pulls away from the lights or roundabouts really smoothly - the power just rolls in.
The deceleration/engine braking was different to what I expected as the scoot carried on happily rolling despite shutting the throttle off - not a problem, just something I had to adjust for - although I did have to squeeze the brakes the first couple of times. Once I'd figured it, it was fine. Both the PCX (and the Honda Forza I tested) start to slow (engine braking) as the throttle is rolled off - The Burger 200 less so. I also noticed I was taking the 'country lane' bends a bit quicker than on my PCX - which surprised me as I really thought the smaller bike would be quicker through the bends - the Burger 200 just feels more stable to me.
Talking of brakes - my bike is effectively a 2013 French model with 'combined' brakes - but not ABS. I pretty much only had to use the back brake and the bike pulled up nice and smoothly with no dramas - same with pulling both (testing a quick stop) - no drama.
Hills: I only weigh 12 stone (170lbs) - so it's difficult for me to 'guess' how it might behave with a big heavy fellah on it - but it just pulled me along/up with no real noticeable difference to the flat. I have to ride through the Monts D'Ambazac (Google them) to get back from the dealership and the road through is windy with some long hills - the bike behaved very well - no effort at all as far as I could discern. Obviously I had to give it more throttle than on the flat but it just kept pulling, no issues.
Top Speed: I found the flattest, straightest bit of road I could - and gave it full throttle - it made (indicated) 115km/h before I ran out of road - I'm guessing it will top out around 120km/h given enough road (like a motorway/freeway) - I'll get back to you on this when I get chance to test properly.
So, given that it was only 30km/20 miles (it really needs a longer run/test) I'm very pleased - it handles like a smaller scooter but feels more 'planted' than a 125 - pretty much exactly what I was after given my (lack of) size and the roads around where I live.
So far, so good.
Couple more pics . . .
Some big Burgers (a 400 and two 650s - all 'Executives') in the dealership and a matt black 125 Burger . . .
Apologies for the not very good (non-flash) 'phone pics.
PS: The screen was just nice (I'm short tho' remember.) Although it 'squeaks' going over bumps.
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MrGrumpy
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Re: Forza 300 vs Burgman 200 Exec
Glad you like it, but its not that surprising that it handles like a 125 as it basically IS as 125 with a slightly different engine!Fizzy Rascal wrote:As promised . . . UPDATE/FIRST IMPRESSIONS . . .
After my 30km ride home I have to say I'm VERY impressed. By the time the bike had reached operating temperature (5 mins) I was moving it around like a 125 - it really IS that manouvreable.
PS: The screen was just nice (I'm short tho' remember.) Although it 'squeaks' going over bumps.
The screen looks like an improvement over the previous standard screen. I had a medium height Givi screen - looks similar in height to yours - and THAT squeaked over bumps as well! I don't think the screen mounting screws are the most secure things you've ever come across.
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anonstarter
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Re: Forza 300 vs Burgman 200 Exec
Fabulous review! Thank you Mister Fizzy!
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Fizzy Rascal
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Re: Forza 300 vs Burgman 200 Exec
MOTORWAY/FREEWAY RUN (For anyone who's interested.)
I rode the baby Burger on the Autoroute today to see how it faired. About 15 miles (each way) was all (with a load of twisties at each end) . . .
The scoot was really happy at a steady 110km/h (on the speedo) at around 3/4 (or maybe 5/6) throttle . . . I could have cruised at 115km/h but I personally felt happier at 110.
I tried a few bits at full throttle and it reached just over 120km/h (on the speedo) allowing me to overtake reasonably easy. In fairness, at these speeds I wasn't staring intently at the speedo . . . but it WAS over 120km/h (123ish maybe?)
It felt planted/steady enough and wasn't bouncing around or anything, which I half expected it to. I was very pleasantly surprised.
In fact the only (very slightly) scary moment was when I was passed by a Mercedes Sprinter Van. I was doing 110km/h and he went by like I was stationary - he was really shifting . . . I got a bit of wind wobble/suction as he went by . . . but no real drama . . . like I say (type) - I was pleasantly surprised.
I don't have much experience of motorway riding to be honest, the worst bit for me was the entry/on ramps - cars just seem to pull straight on - either just in front of you or (rather scarily) right behind you - and then 'tailgate' until they can overtake -I spent a fair bit of time looking in my mirrors if I'm honest.
Again, the Burger suits me as I'll do very little motorway riding anyway, but it's nice to know I can should I need to - even if it's only for a few miles/junctions.
Hope this helps.
I rode the baby Burger on the Autoroute today to see how it faired. About 15 miles (each way) was all (with a load of twisties at each end) . . .
The scoot was really happy at a steady 110km/h (on the speedo) at around 3/4 (or maybe 5/6) throttle . . . I could have cruised at 115km/h but I personally felt happier at 110.
I tried a few bits at full throttle and it reached just over 120km/h (on the speedo) allowing me to overtake reasonably easy. In fairness, at these speeds I wasn't staring intently at the speedo . . . but it WAS over 120km/h (123ish maybe?)
It felt planted/steady enough and wasn't bouncing around or anything, which I half expected it to. I was very pleasantly surprised.
In fact the only (very slightly) scary moment was when I was passed by a Mercedes Sprinter Van. I was doing 110km/h and he went by like I was stationary - he was really shifting . . . I got a bit of wind wobble/suction as he went by . . . but no real drama . . . like I say (type) - I was pleasantly surprised.
I don't have much experience of motorway riding to be honest, the worst bit for me was the entry/on ramps - cars just seem to pull straight on - either just in front of you or (rather scarily) right behind you - and then 'tailgate' until they can overtake -I spent a fair bit of time looking in my mirrors if I'm honest.
Again, the Burger suits me as I'll do very little motorway riding anyway, but it's nice to know I can should I need to - even if it's only for a few miles/junctions.
Hope this helps.
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Globs
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Re: Forza 300 vs Burgman 200 Exec
Sounds good, 200 is a good size.
The problem as you go up the engine sizes is cost and weight shoots up (inc. tyres, servicing etc) and economy goes down.
The 'one scoot for everything' is very difficult to pick!
The problem as you go up the engine sizes is cost and weight shoots up (inc. tyres, servicing etc) and economy goes down.
The 'one scoot for everything' is very difficult to pick!